The Boston Tea party, as grand and revolutionary as history views it, was a reaction to but one grain of sand in the bag hung by the British government around the necks of Colonial Americans. The taxation of tea would not by itself have caused Americans to revolt against the royal crown, nor would it when combined with the Stamp Act and other unjust tax burdens. Colonial leaders understood that the British government had spent huge sums of money defending the colonies during the French and Indian Wars, and they knew that the taxes they paid (on everything) to the crown were refilling its depleted coffers. The amount of taxes levied wasn’t what Jefferson and Adams thought unjust, it was the unauthorized levying of any tax, and authorization of any tax would not occur until Colonials were represented in Britain’s government.
Knowing that they would never have a voice in the governing of their budding society, the founding fathers faced a dilemma: assert their liberties against their trespassers and enter into a long and protracted war they were ill prepared to fight, or live as subjects under the thumb of a hereditary monarch. They chose the easier of the two.
General Washington’s soldiers were poorly trained, and his army was so ill-funded that it could not provide for it troops boots and food, the two things an army marches on. All but his most loyal troops either deserted or seriously contemplated it, as the sheer brutality of a being a Colonial American soldier poised against the world’s most powerful military force was simply too much for most to bear. To say that fighting and winning the war was easy for these men is callous and ignorant, but to say that living under an inbred monarchy would have been easier is insulting and vulgar. The opportunity cost of determining their own destinies was far too large to ignore.
But how would the founding fathers have reacted to King George’s tyranny had a wealthy, powerful, freedom-loving and open nation existed within walking distance? Suppose Philadelphia was a stone’s throw from this mythical nation’s borders, and providing freedoms and liberties to its citizens was as easy as moving them from one side of a border to another. I pray that this nation’s political saviors would have delegated and concluded that creating their own free nation would be most virtuous, but I understand that they were men, like me, vulnerable to the seduction of opportunity costs. After all, they were pragmatic thinkers concerned with making rational and logical choices, and a good chance exists that their rebellion may have been as peaceful and bloodless as moving out from under the crown’s shadow into their neighboring mythical nation’s democratic corona. That’s mere speculation based on a cynical approach to history’s heros, and I’m probably libeling their memories.
While the founding fathers were thankfully not ordinary men, the men over whom they governed were, and likely would have chosen immigration over independance; without a stubborn foundation in morals and ethics, the ordinary man cannot fathom the immense value of such a foregone opportunity. He sees the cheap and quick method as the one with a cost most outweighed by the benefits of its result. Why spend the lives, national resources, and state treasuries on a nearly-impossible war when the spoils of such a war could be gained with a simple geographical relocation?
Indeed, why risk imprisonment, police abuse, political murder, civil violence, and mass chaos induced by political revolution when an open-bordered nation overspillingwith surplus money, endless employment, flourishing democracies and stable welfare programs is but three hot days in the desert away? Why wait for Tomasa Heffersono, Juan Adamos, and Jorge Juazinton to emerge as political leaders when they’ve likely emmigrated long ago?
The common Mexican man contemplates his choices in the same manner the common American man does. He places the perceived value of each choice in each hand, weighing and analyzing them to see which provides the most for him. He seeks liberty and economic benefit, and can get them by either fighting against an incredibly corrupt and immoral native government, or by risking a journey through the deserts of Arizona, barren and bleak but for the water towers supplied by blindly-humanitarian activists. The value of sucking on America’s swollen pink teat is simply too great to ignore. Neither wall nor threat of deportation will thwart the common Mexican man from tasting the sweet milk of freedom, the dulce de leche libertad if you will, that our entitled palates no longer detect or respect.
If barring physical access to America’s benefits will fail, and if deportation of Mexico’s freedom seekers results only in replacement with another, what option exists to prevent the souring of our milk? What action of ours could possibly decrease the value of immigrating illegally to such a miniscule degree as to render it pointless in comparison to the value of true Mexican political reform?
Because the common Mexican man seeks American employment wages, we must enact policies that will indirectly reduce illegal wages to sub-Mexican levels by targeting offending American employers. Currently, employing illegals provides a value far greater than does respecting toothless federal immigration laws. However, if we give those laws sharp teeth and a healthy appetite, the temptation to break them decreases exponentially.
Were Congress to draft legislation penalizing employers of illegal immigrant with felony-grade prison time and devastating fines, few employers would find value in exposing themselves to the substantial risk of jail-rape and economic ruin. How many spinach farmers would risk 5 years in a federal prison and a $500,000 fine for each illegal he employs? A policy like this would stop the employment of illegal immigrants, effectively stripping them of their primary motivation for U.S. entry. Yet many would likely remain, assuming our political and welfare benefits were still readily available. And while a lack of economic benefit would drastically reduce the influx of immigrant job seekers, many would still flock to the protective political framework America provides.
As such, Congress needs to forbid the use of welfare programs by illegal immigrants and enact mandatory deportation of illegal immigrants abusing our generosity or breaking our laws. We’re too advanced and too humane to sweep the streets with stormtrooper forces ferreting out illegal immigrants here in good faith, but ignoring illegals knowingly pillaging our generosity and dangerously breaking our laws is blatantly stupid.
Common Mexican men will still act to increase their freedoms and economic benefits, but without the easy and nearly cost-free option of sneaking into the U.S., they will turn their attention towards demanding from their own government what they once sought from us. I have faith in the idea that Mexico’s populace, when faced with the dilemma of either revolting against their obscene “leaders” or continuing to live as third-class citizens without rights or futures, will rise to the occasion and pick the easier of the two options. After all, they seem willing and able to march in protest against our government…why not their own?
If instead of arguing over how high a wall should be, or to how many “residents” we should give amnesty to, we must instead execute a program that unequivically devalues the common Mexican man’s incentive to defy our immigration laws while simultaneously increasing the value in reforming his own government, despite the risks involved. Until we do that, our efforts at strenghtening border security and deporting arrested illegals will be thwarted by common Mexican men acting on motivations that any one of us would succumb to in similar circumstances.
27 Comments
June 15th, 2007 at 7:54 am
As you hit on in the middle of you blogging, I think the only true fix to this is issue is fixing Mexico itself. Illegal immigrantion is the symptom, the problems within Mexico is the disease so to speak. While this country can take better steps to finding some resolution to the problems on our side of the boarder, I don’t think the problem will cease until we turn our eyes southward.
June 15th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Not being a man of many, many words like Mr. Roark, I have 2 quick things to add…
1) The issue is fixing Mexico and the racism within Mexico. You don’t see white Mexicans living in poverty and fleeing their homeland by the truck loads. But you do see brown, uneducated, poor and sometimes even criminal Mexicans be taught and more so encouraged to go north by the Mexican government.
2) I offer a social commentary/edgy photojournalistic picture…until we stop supporting and giving aid to illegal aliens we have lost – period! This is at 50% our own fault.
June 15th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Darn can’t post the photo I wanted to post…here’s the link.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Mach5WRX/homede.jpg
June 16th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
And wouldn’t that just solve both problems. Not only would it end the desire to enter the U.S., if Mexico could become as blessed as our America and return to its people their homeland and culture; why would any that are here stay? Maybe I was wrong about you. As talented a writer as you have proven yourself to be, maybe you should consider running for office instead! Oh and I have to apologize for the lack of support since you started your new site, we were on vacation and the rest of my spare time I’ve been fighting with my insurance company. Fun, Fun. Anyway the read was a pleasure as always
June 17th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
I’m not 100% sold on the fact of having a revolutionary war taking place down south. Furthermore, I like the fact that they immigrate over here. They do all the jobs we don’t want to and we never have to worry about them allying with a “terrorist” nation and attacking us. Status quo for me, my friend.
June 17th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I’d be more worried with a terrorist nation trying to make an ally with Mexico as it is than if it were independent.
June 18th, 2007 at 7:08 am
everyone knows thats what we should do - go after the employers who employ these individuals. here’s the problem - how do we do that w/o hurting ourselves in the process?
its real easy to say - “it’ll be a bitter pill, we’ll have to swallow it.” but you need to - come correct - (10 shots of booze style) and shop a fully formed solution around rather than just a general intent.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:10 am
J-Dizzle,
I’ve spent the past six weeks lounging around my tiny hovel. Few jaunts on the freeway, rare trips to the mall, the occasional emergence into society. My status quo, for now, is preferable.
I suppose my re-emergence into society in a month or so will change my preference as quickly as it changes my status quo. I suggest you immerse yourself into the problem in order to better understand why people are fighting to change it, instead of acting as judge and jury from a spectator’s perspective.
Herr Moncherous,
The fully formed solution is: 5 years in prison, $500,000 fine for each illegal immigrant hired. Only one employer need swallow that bitter pill before the rest change their outlook. The only ones who will continue to taste the medicine after the fact will be the fluff-and-stuff of society that think necessary the following items: 18mpg in our BMW X5; $3.80 tall Caramel Macchiato; $500 i-phone; 23″ spinnahs for that sick g-ride. When lettuce triples in price, people will be forced to re-align their stupid spending habits, and those without the funds will (as they are now) take advantage of welfare programs.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
well i was alluding to a sudden shift to our society. there are about 10 million illegals (is that still the # ?) here and not spread equally across the nation.
i think they do serve a need and we don’t have ready replacements, unless you wanted to just throw money at the problem, but i don’t think you do.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
We do have replacements…
Unemployed persons in the U.S. of A as of Friday, June 1, 2007 8:30 A.M. (EDT) is at 6.8 million. ( Taken of the US Department of Labor website )
June 19th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
we do?
help me with some math por favor find out how many unemployed citizens there are beginning in the most populous state in terms of illegals and continuing to the next most populous state again in terms of illegals and on down until at least 90% of them are claimed
compare that to this new statistic 12 million illegals as of the last estimate according to the dems who are trying to get some their immigration legislation passed in the senate then subtract from the unemployed citizen list all those people who are actually professionals and inbetween jobs and who wouldn’t/couldn’t work labor or agriculture or gardening or menial work in general because they are too old young professional couldn’t won’t etc etc etc and i’d bet a hefty sum the number would be quite less than 1/2 of the 6.8million the labor dept says.
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June 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I’m not the US Department of Labor or run their website…So if the numbers are off, I don’t have control over that. I have to go with the info that presented to me.
Ok, now why do I have to subtract…“from the unemployed citizen list all those people who are actually professionals and inbetween jobs and who wouldn’t/couldn’t work labor or agriculture or gardening or menial work in general because they are too old young professional couldn’t won’t etc etc etc”
Why give me one good reason. They are unemployed – period and could fill those jobs period…you can “what if” this to death but it’s really simple math.
Job Slot + Unemployed worker = Job Filled & Employed Worker
Now unless you are being a really uber racist and think that all the “menial” crap jobs in America need to be done only by illegal, uneducated & exploited Mexicans of color? Give me one GOOD reason that these jobs can’t be filled by Americans.
Your argument doesn’t hold any water…You make the unemployed Americans do the work that needs to be done and come up with some system to compensate them if they are educated or in-between jobs or whatever. I don’t know I’m not a smart man. But Americans CAN do the work and there’s no good reason why they can’t.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:56 am
i inferred many good reasons.
i’m not trying to be mean, but viewing the situation from the 500,000 ft level is like this:
suppose there is an e, and someone shows up with a z, then someone puts them together to make ez! now if we take ez and put it in front of everything we make everything easy right? no, of course you don’t believe that.
let me back up, step out of my own view, and say 12 million - 6.8 million = still a big problem.
add in geographic considerations, work considerations, the demographics of the unemployed and you get 12 million - (less than 6.8 million) = big problem.
i’m no racist. how many illegals are in white collar jobs? none. the work they get is basically menial labor. simply they have a back and offer their muscle in return for payment. i feel very sorry for them.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Mr. Rou,
It’s important to have sympathy for our fellow man, and while the work of an illegal may seem backbreaking and hellish to you, you should not feel sorry for them. They are enjoying a quality of life unknown to billions on this planet.
If we continue to allow the oppressed people of the world to escape their realities and enjoy ours, what will ever force them to stop the oppression? If you are going to have any sympathy at all, direct it towards those in Mexico who cannot leave, who live in abject poverty, and who are repeatedly abused with injury and atrocious pay by their employers.
Feel sorry for them because their condition will never improve. We’re too weak to force Mexico to break free from its chains. Isn’t that pathetic? Maybe you shoud also feel sorry for us.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:36 am
yes i feel sorry for them because i have compassion, don’t believe for one second that i’m their advocate. you have the ability to comprehend what you read, you know what i’m speaking of. answer my concerns, or at least recognize them, they are the heart of the matter.
the people you admire understand the concerns, focus on why they are doing so.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Mr. Rou,
I’m not exactly certain who I admire that has any control over this issue. And I fully understand your concerns, but answering them does little to solve the problem.
Instead of us looking at the real problem, which is an unending flood of Mexico’s poor into areas of our country falling victim to a quickly eroding American identity and culture, our government and voters instead concern themselves with unemployment rates, tax burdens, humanitarian efforts, etc etc. Those are the periphery issues that blind us from seeing the long term negative effects for people like you and I, living in Southern California, and subject to an ever-increasing voting block that has no respect for this country or its laws.
If we’re to solve the problem, we need to ask ourselves why they come here, and then figure out how we can remove that “why.” If we spend our time worrying about all the miscellaneous issues La Raza and the Minutemen want us to worry about, we’ll never solve the problem.
Imagine two worlds: one where Mexico’s poor use your tax dollars to survive while living here illegally, and one where Mexico’s poor use Mexican tax dollars, in their own homeland, to rise above their station in life. Which would you, and nearly everyone, prefer? So why aren’t we working towards that?
June 21st, 2007 at 4:28 pm
f the distant descriptions i’ve given, yes the influx needs to be stopped but we’ll all settle for a big drop in the numbers if thats what we can get. and that’s what we’ll probably get. and suppose some legislation gets passed and now we go after the employers. what about those already here? ignoring them for a moment, what value do they provide - its not nothing - and how do you deal with that loss of value? and then, what do you do with them? deportation? how would we pull that off, taxes? someone concerned with getting it done and moving this country along will need to address this stuff. its the reaility of it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:37 am
“what value do they provide - its not nothing - and how do you deal with that loss of value?”
I’m going to assume that when you say “they” you mean illegal, uneducated & exploited Mexicans of color.
And when you say “Value” you mean the end product of said exploitation of the above stated ethnic group right.
I can’t understand why more of the left or liberal minded US citizens are not rallying to this cause more. This is almost a damn slave trade type industry. What gives us the right to scold China, Vietnam or whoever on their questionable labor practices when “We the People” are all turning a blind eye to doing nothing about our own?
The exploitation of this illegal, uneducated & Mexicans of color is wrong – period. And yes I keep repeating “illegal, uneducated, exploited & Mexicans of color” because that’s what they are at the base level. They are not…
Illegal aliens
Undocumented works
…and we are using Mexicans of color in a way that if we were maybe using another race or group there would be a much bigger deal made about – Maybe?
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:39 am
^
Sorry about the grammar errors I just woke up. :p
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
yes, thats who i mean and as you described the result of their work has definite value. your description of them exudes a respect for your fellow man. i just say things to get the point across.
here’s what i would do.
legitimize their work status such that they fall under the protections afforded to all of US workers and pay them market wages. seriously.
then double the tax bracket on them and add a lifelong exemption from government services and all but basic education. unless they pay for them at the prevailing market rate, all the while suffering the double tax. the price for not being a citizen and not supporting in kind all along. increase the tax linearly over time for all new workers - those who declare/are found out after a certain date.
place a mandatory population cap on them, if you have a child after this date, you’re family gets deported.
those who’ve been here for a while will continue here under better conditions for the remainder of their lives. their existng children and new illegals who’ve made their way across will face even thougher rules and a natural incentive to move back/stay to mexico if they want a child.
this would be a bitter pill to swallow for us all, it legitimizes a second class in america - if only for a period - and we have to live with it which is tough because this is america and we’re all about freedom and all people being equal, at least on paper.
this would preserve the value of their labor, remove exploitation of these people by policing the their pay at market wages. opening them up to competition from US workers who’d get paid the same (but taxed as always), and eliminate the problem over time, so i think.
policy that did this would be impossible to pass.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:36 pm
[quote]legitimize their work status such that they fall under the protections afforded to all of US workers and pay them market wages. seriously.[/quote]
I should stop you here. Legitimizing illegal behavior simply because so many people ignore our already weak position serves to do only one thing: legitimize other actions we consider criminal. Where does the ball stop, honestly? I’m not saying that we’ll end up legalizing murder, drug trafficking, and rape, but what about tax evasion? What about fraud, petty theft, or prostitution? These are frequently broken, and often the damage is monetary; so is immigrantion law. Slippery slopes often result in lots of surprised and dazed nay-sayers.
[quote]then double the tax bracket on them and add a lifelong exemption from government services and all but basic education.[/quote]
Sure? Why not? The only thing politicians like less than meeting constituents is meeting pissed off constituents. Not only would 12 million illegal immigrants rally in the streets and burn down western civilization, but 50 million patchouli-laden Mecha-bots would haunt their elected officials. It solves our big problem, but creates a gigantic problem for John. Q. Senator.
[quote]place a mandatory population cap on them, if you have a child after this date, you’re family gets deported. [/quote]
And let the rest of the world think we’re China part deux? But beyond that, what makes you think they’ll respect that law when they won’t respect ours now? And further, how will you enforce it? Are you going to have government mandated pregnancy tests and ObGyn visits?
[quote]this would be a bitter pill to swallow for us all, it legitimizes a second class in america - if only for a period - [/quote]
Why should I be forced to legitimize a second class? Why should the government force it upon me? Aren’t most people legitimized through their own merit? Isn’t THAT the American way? To start from nothing and work towards greatness, just like Horatio Alger wrote?
[quote]and we have to live with it which is tough because this is america and we’re all about freedom and all people being equal, at least on paper.[/quote]
That’s actually not true. America’s founding fathers used the argument that “all men are created equal” as but one foundation upon which the greater unalienable rights argument was based. And further, the equality of men regarded man’s freedom, that no one is born with more or less rights than another.
Do not mistake America’s ideals with what your equally biased grade school teachers and college professors told you; all men are NOT created equal. Some are very strong, whereas some are very weak. Some are very healthy, whereas others are very sick. Some are terribly brilliant child prodegies, whereas others are 3 blinks from vegetation. All, however, are born with an equal set of rights, regardless of class, caste, or family.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:48 am
first, the last part of your post. all men are not created equal. yes, that is obvious. no one thinks its physically so. despite what teachers and college professors theoretically shove down our throats, this is the real world, i know my relative worth today. as you said, america’s ideals are that we treat all men as equals, we afford each other the basic right that our society recognizes you and me the same. of course it doesn’t work out exactly right. why do you think i don’t view this the same as you?
legitimizing illegal behavior. we used to drive 55, now its 65. when we drove 55 most of us were driving 65 and so we now drive 65. stupid you think? likely, but you’re missing the point. understand how things get done, it seems you want some noble solution that keeps a stiff upperlip and keeps dear to america’s other ideals, and theres to be no pressuring those ideals either. you have to track people, you have to know of them if you’re going to manage them on some level. its a numbers game. there will always be things that slip through the cracks, get comfortable with that imperfection. legitimize their status and they’ll start getting paid more, a majority will likely come right to you and sign up. give them an incentive, say do it by this date or face higher the higher tax.
as for the rest, yes, china II.
slippery slope, slipperaly slope. i guess it all cascades to a cosmic dust event.
i don’t think mr senator would have a problem. these are not voting constituents, no, they can just work here and pay tax with no voice.
you’re right, the best way to legitimize someone is for them to prove themselves to you. but we haven’t done that, theres no way for them to prove themselves to us.
my ideas are nuts of course, especially the birth control, but hey, do you think the issues they relvolve around are non existant? what would the 50 millions mechans do under any plan that pissed them off? got an idea you think they’ll like? i don’t think fixing mexico and south america is something we can do, we can proceed to assassinate a few people which will likely help. but generally this is a cancer of a problem, and like our lives this cancer can be cured but only at some terrible cost to all of us.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:39 pm
[quote]why do you think i don’t view this the same as you?[/quote]
I may have misunderstood your tone, but it appeared as though you were advocating different treatment for them because their lives are not equal in quality to ours. If I was wrong, I apologize, but it was important for the millions of fans reading this stimulating debate to hear it because few know how the “equality” argument is actually crafted.
[quote] we used to drive 55, now its 65. when we drove 55 most of us were driving 65 and so we now drive 65. stupid you think? likely, but you’re missing the point. understand how things get done, it seems you want some noble solution that keeps a stiff upperlip and keeps dear to america’s other ideals, and theres to be no pressuring those ideals either. [/quote]
We actually had a 55mph speed limit forced onto us because politicians did what they seek to do now with illegal immigration: they saw a problem, and instead of solving the key cause of the problem, they applied a big, ugly band-aid that nearly everyone in the nation rejected. They could have mandated new economy regulations for manufacturers, enacted tax breaks for those chosing cars high in fuel economy, etc. Yet they instead thought that regulating everyone’s speed would fix the whole problem. The politicians were wrong in their attempt to save gas, and we rejected it as a nation.
Equating illegal immigration to federal speed limits is short-sighted. First of all, about 3% of the population is breaking the immigration law. Of the remaining 97%, I’d venture to guess that 75% of them think it is important for America to have immigration laws that need to be respected. Some may think they are currently too harsh, but I doubt you’ll find more than 25% of our citizens thinking we should have completely open borders.
Now why should 75% of the US population be subject to reformation of important laws simply because 3% of our population, none of whom are voting citizens, demands it? What kind of screwed up world would we live in if the only people who benefitted from legitimization of criminal behavior were the 3% of a population subject to punishment for doing such criminal behavior?
And further, why reward these people for so flagrantly breaking our laws? Drug dealers tempt users to purchase from them; kiddie-porn producers tempt pedophiles to purchase their vile wares. Should we legitimize drug use and kiddie-porn simply because the end-user was tempted to break the law?
[quote]i don’t think mr senator would have a problem. these are not voting constituents, no, they can just work here and pay tax with no voice.[/quote]
My point was that John Q. Senator is not going to support legislation so blatantly unequal and discriminatory, because he knows the end result will be non-stop criticism and rioting by unhappy people, be they voters or not. Placing such a disproportionate tax burden upon a minority is considered so tyrannic, so racist, and so draconian that it is illogical to think that massive protest wouldn’t ensure. No politician will subject himself to such scrutiny, and hence the policy is far to unrealistic to consider its viability.
[quote]you’re right, the best way to legitimize someone is for them to prove themselves to you. but we haven’t done that, theres no way for them to prove themselves to us.[/quote]
There is a way for them to prove themselves to us:
1. Stop ignoring our laws and our sovereign land.
2. Stop ignoring our culture and our way of life.
3. Assimilate into our nation; we don’t like seeing Mexican ghettos transplanted from south of the border into our neighborhoods and cities.
4. Respect our language, our identity, and do your best to mold into it if you want to be a part of it.
5. Solve the problems in your nations before creating problems for us in ours.
6. When you are here legally, seek to better yourself and your family. Raise your children and teach them to be good humans and good neighbors, instead of letting them drift off into gangs or lives of petty crimes.
7. Instill a sense of pride in our flag, not the Mexican one.
8. If you are going to break our laws and come here illegally, be a good guest by respecting our history, our language, and our government. Don’t break our laws and then protest in the streets in order to get even more from us.
[quote]i don’t think fixing mexico and south america is something we can do[/quote]
We can’t fix it, but Mexican citizens can. The only reason why they don’t is because fixing their own rotten government is far, far harder and much riskier than simply waltzing into the Garden of Eden up north.
We’ve got ants like you wouldn’t believe in our house. I get angry when I walk in the kitchen and see a trail of 1,000,000 ants eating the cat food I left out. And with the food there, there’s nothing I can do to get rid of the invasion.
Surprisingly, when my kitchen is free from food in the open and available to the ants, they ignore our kitchen. The best way for my wife and I to keep ants out of our home is to remove their motivation for coming in here.
Consider immigrant jobs the cat food of America. Make it unaccessable to the migrant workers, and there’s no reason for them to come in anymore.
What results is not protest, or anger, or social strife. America can begin to rebuild its identity, and Mexico can begin to reform its government. Will people criticize the fines and prison time as overbearing? Will pro-immgration activists protest the law? Sure, but few will be able to come up with rational arguments against it, aside from an emotional appeal that many of us are sick of being forced to accept.
June 25th, 2007 at 7:47 am
o i c, i too have have hope that things will change for the better, that people will recognize the better path and then seek it. but as many like to say, this world is a cold gritty place, not many of them offer ideas on what to do about it.
like i said, my ideas are nuts but i, you shouldn’t be forced to do anything i said, but i said those things because i want the discussion to move from what we’d like to happen to what needs to happen.
June 25th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I have a kind of off topic question…
Should active duty Military patrol the borders?
I think yes and this is why. It can serve 2 purposes.
1) Use it as a training event. You could cycle/rotate Units on and off just like sending Units to NTC – This wouldn’t cost the tax payers anymore money because the Training dollars are already accounted for in the fiscal year budget.
2) It would help secure the Borders and if while the Units are on these training missions and run into any illegal boarder traffic they can intercepted it.
Doesn’t cost us anymore money and helps secure our borders.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
H. Roark: Your way of presenting “parables” to tell your reasoning is very smooth…
and, you are right in your description of how to get rid of pests…..No food, No stay,
Stop (all) of the ‘FREEBIES’……
Extreme harsh penalities for Employers , ( who made 1.3 TRILLION $ profit ) ,
one trillion seconds ago, Dinosaurs walked this earth…!!!
Harshly fine and imprison these Employers……
Enact laws that state after Jan. 1, 2009,
it shall be a Felony to be “ILLEGAL” in the USA , punishable by 3 years in Federal prison, and start enforcing it, or when caught, give the option of serving the time, then deportation, and never have the chance to re-enter this country ever again…or, “leave immediately”…..
It is one of the BIGGEST falacies in the entire country that they (ILLEGALS )
do ‘not’ take jobs away from American citizens….there are 16, 000 construction workers out of work , because Hispanics will do the work for $15 an hour, while American Const. workers get $26….
at a savings of $11. per hour, you can readily see why “illegals”are a pain in the
tail section.
In Colo., a meat packing Co. was shut down, because of “ILLEGALS” getting the jobs at $ less than American workers….Forget that other B.S. ” that they are the only ones that will do the work” crap, because it is entirely false!!!.
You know that these ‘Illegals’ , are NOT stupid…They are enjoying all of the goodies, even American citizens cant get, because of making too much money, or basically more than $ 15,600. per year.
Hispanics do have to prove what they earn, to get the “FREEBIES”……….
There are 42 Hispanics, all using the same Soc.Card, but only it shows ‘one’ income recorded, and its only $ 12,000. for the year…amazing,….so, when asked from all 42 in order to qualify , it shows an earning of only $ 12,000.
While under the table, from $$$ hungry employers pay the lesser wages…..and these poor ,depressed persons, are living in poverty….why not go home ,be with your entire family if its so bad here…
See, they are ‘not’ favorable type persons I want for my neighbors, we know because they came here UN-INVITED,
and do break the Law…( I am a retired Sheriff.) Attorneys defend their position as We, the people must provide attoneys, and pay their fees….
An Amendment to the 14th Sect.1 needs to enacted. In the olden days slaves were ‘FORCED’ to come here. When they had babies , they were made citizens because of being born on this soil. ( JUS SOLI).
where as in today’s world , ‘ILLEGALS’ simply jump our little fence, have babies here to capitalize on the old law in the 14th. that gives theibabies “citizenship”(?)
and the ‘entire’ family can come here….
It should be updated to todays standards which America also has, and that is called
( JUS SANGUINIS) which states that any babies born in the USA from NON-CITIZENS”, shall then be deemed to be the same nationality as their birth fathers,
if known, than that of their birth mothers.
and grand-fathered back to the year Jan. 1 , 1995…( Congress is to busy being “self- serving”, to get doing their job )
This should readily take care of ANCHOR-BABIES”, and their citizenship.
They (Congress) are still trying to sneak in little amendments for Amnesty on
entirely other subjected Bills….they ARE definitely NOT for the American citizen, hope you all remember this at voting time…..
Also , check out WWW.IMMIGRATION
COUNTERS.COM…….
July 26th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
I can vouch for the anchor-citizen fraud perpetrated here every day. My wife is a newborn nurse at a Texas ‘border hospital’ here, we moved from Washington state (so sick of the Dem big government there). She has actually sees this happening, women cross the Int’l bridge on a day visa, walk around all day to induce labor, then check into a US hospital to have thier kid. Reynosa, Mexico where they cross from, is a city of 4 million, has fair hospitals, but they don’t have the post natal and welfare services we have, nor the naturalized citizenship benefits. Oh, she will cross back over once her and the babe are stable, but she can then collect welfare and other benefits from the US and TX on behalf of the ‘newest little citizen’ until who knows how long. And with that ‘benefit’ also comes the ability of getting the ‘citizen’ thier own SS card, and other cash I can’t even imagine, not being schooled in the art of welfare and government fraud. Funny that the Mexican gov. has tips and tricks brochures on just that sort of thing, how to get benefits from the US. They don’t even need to come back here, we send them checks straight to thier homes in Mexico!
So you think the IA issue is such a small thing? it goes way beyond that. Our laws foster this behavior, and they have to be changed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Canada also put out a pamphlet, why not? Get your medicare check sent straight there, to help pay for the vet bill when you can’t get into the local hospital with your national medical coverage!
It’s more than just the jobs, Mexican citizens are soaking us for every dime they can, and spitting in our faces like they have the right to do it. All because of what? The threat that they allow terrorists to cross through their territory? This government blackmail needs to stop as well.
We need to remind both Mexico and Canada that we have open borders out of respect for them, as they should show us that same repect, not lip service. Remind them that we are indeed, still in a state of war, and those countries that aid and abet terrorists will be dealt with, if it is found that thier borders were used, even negligently, in the course of the terrorists actions.
It would be easy to make either Canada or Mexico the 51st thru 57th state (from 7 provinces in Mexico), and 58th thru 66th up north, eh? If in fact the 12 (20+ more like, and many more wanting to) million IAs here were honest and hardworking, how many honest and hard working does that actually leave in Mexico to defend it, Out of a population of 114M? And how many would actually fight US statehood?? Could you imagine putting the US military on the southern border of the state of Mexico? That would make a few other latin american countries think, too. Where do you think Mexico would be in 10 years, if they actually got statehood? good roads, good water, abundant electricity, better education, better wages, better protection of national and historical sites… what do they have to lose? a drug cartel? a bribed politcian? soneriegnty of what? Who really can feel safe going there right now, without fear of the national kidnapping industry, or the cartels?
The shame here is, I’ve been here for 4 years, and have not once driven 5 miles south of my home. the border is 3 miles. What a shame, there is so much I want to see there, but no way I would take my family into that lawless country. It’s so bad, all the honest and hard working people want to move out of it. Does that sound like a good tourist place to you??
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